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No One Understands Me :(

October 10th 2006 00:31
Dear Diary,

Today a policeman hassled me because I was wearing my hair over my eyes. He said I was a danger cos I couldn’t see where I was going. He doesn’t understand me, neither do my parents, my brother and sister. Even my dog doesn’t understand me.

I want to cut myself…



At least, I think this is how it would go.

Yesterday, we saw a skinny kid wearing uber tight jeans, belted just below his butt-cheeks and his long, blow-dry straight hair was over his eyes right down to his nose, held with a bandana. A policeman stopped him, probably just to throw his weight around but it was still a bizarre situation. This guy literally could not see, all in the name of “Emo”.

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Last Thursday night, we went to “Panic! At The Disco” and Emos were everywhere. What I noticed is, it’s very much a younger generation thing (we were the oldest fans by at least 3 years)

But what are Emos? Is it just a phase? How long will it last?

My understanding from what I’ve been told is Emo’s are basically Goths with emotional issues, which to me is an oxymoron.

My understanding from what I’ve seen, is Emos are Goths with money to burn, hence the sterilising-ly tight Tsubi jeans.

So my question is, are Emo’s simply this generations answer to “The Poor Little Rich Kid”?




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Comment by Cibbuano

October 10th 2006 01:22
Emo kids crack me up, simply because they're rich enough to afford all that fashion, but they're whiny about life.

Comment by Joy

October 10th 2006 01:47
Emo kids? I'm not actually sure how they identify themselves. Some people think of it as a musical taste while now it has become a lifestyle. Maybe they like to be different from everyone else?

Comment by Chantal

October 10th 2006 02:42
Yeah, Cibbuano... that's what I dont get either!

That's the irony, Joy... when you dress like everyone else so that you can be different

Comment by Anonymous

October 10th 2006 03:02
http://www.orble.com/what-lyrics-have-had-a-profound-impact-on-your-life/#comment_29318

You should do something like that Chan.

It's good and it got heaps of votes.

It should be something that people can reply to.

Something ppl can have a meaningful input in.

R u trying to be like Carrie Bradshaw, Chan?

"Are we getting wiser, or just older?" -(Episode with the pot smoking Comic Book Store owner that lives with his parents.)

Comment by Anonymous

October 10th 2006 03:14
btw, I have never met a single emo in my life, to my knowledge.

Pretty much none of the kids who are called emos these days are depressive people, most of the kids I know who dress it are really wild, crazy out there funny people who just did it coz chicks said they'd look hot in tight black jeans and with a side-fringe.

Also none of them listen to emo bands. The bands that are dubbed emo today are far from it, and the ppl who dub them emo are as ignorant as they are irritating. Emo bands are not simply bands with side-fringes (i.e. P!ATD) if anyone actually listened to their music, instead of judging them on their image, you'd soon realise that there is nothing depressing about it.

The tunes are upbeat and the lyrical content ranges from homages to great authors of our generation (Chuck Palhniuk), to the gritty world of prostitution, but never lurks into the depressing, heart-wrenching realm of emo.

Emo bands are the ones where if you saw them in concert the singer would probably break into tears in the middle of a particularly personal acoustic piece, or bands with songs in which almost half the lyrics are sort of whimpered in a low, shaky whisper as the singer tries to fight back the tears and finish the song.

If you don't know what I'm talking about listen to "Black Dresses" by The Spill Canvas or "Just Enough To Love" by Bayside.

Comment by Homer Joyce

October 10th 2006 03:48
Drop,

Were the Sex Pistol's Emos? I don't think I've ever heard a more emotionally charged song capable of making a lead singer cry than 'Who Killed Bambi' ...

Homer

Comment by Chantal

October 10th 2006 05:51
Wow! I love Sex & The City but never thought of myself as a Carrie. I guess I'm just writing to write, so nowadays if something interesting happens to me, I'll jot it down and there's my next post!

There were definitely real life emos at Panic! I saw them crying at the fence afterwards! I dont mind the music tho... it's pretty cool. I think some people just get too confused about how they're supposed to act!

You may be on to something, Homer!

Comment by Chantal

October 10th 2006 06:20
Oh yeah... also had a look at that blog! Great idea! I love great lyrics, I guess because I'm a singer/songwriter myself, it really makes the song for me.

Anything Brandon Boyd writes is profound and beautiful!

Comment by Homer Joyce

October 10th 2006 06:28
Chantal,

You're not even half my age and you're beginning to repeat yourself ..

Are your emos getting the better of you?

Homer ...

Comment by Chantal

October 10th 2006 06:37
Yeah, I realised that! I'm too spontaneous, I posted first and read after!

Comment by Homer Joyce

October 10th 2006 06:56
Chantal,

I've had a similar experience with women ... (makes mental note to himself ... think about the ramifications before acting on emotion) ...


Comment by Chantal

October 10th 2006 08:32
Haha... I said it before and I'll say it again... love your sense of humour!

Do you know, I only just realised what you meant and fixed it! I thought you were being overly picky about the repetition of the word "great"! I dont know how that comment was posted 3 times. I'm still getting my head around this blogging business!

Thanks for the heads up!

Comment by LaurenD

October 10th 2006 12:01
Excellent social commentary, Chantal, and I love the diary entry. You've got an insightful perspective.

LaurenD

Comment by Ahmed

October 10th 2006 16:24
emos are just crazy peoples looking for a place in life. They have everything, or enough things and are...


gah, I dunno, why don't you ask them?


really, maybe they jsut like the idea of feeling all emotional all the time? A nice feeling that the world hates them or something, like a rebel without a cuase, but a losing one.

Comment by Jimbo

October 11th 2006 00:44
I'm so sick of talking about this issue but it keeps coming up.

The thing about the emo phenomenon is that kids are pressured to conform to mass society so much that they rebel and unconform. The problem is that they don't have any idea about what unconformity is, so they conform to unconformity, and thus you have emo.

Comment by Ahmed

October 11th 2006 04:24
Very interesting idea Jimbo...

Conform to unconformity...

Comment by Victoria

October 11th 2006 05:57
Lol what a great read! Emos are pretty hard to define... my emo best friend confuses me with her philosophy.

All I know is that emos dwell in their emotions for the LONGEST time. And they're not usually the lighter moods of life. It gets exhausting sometimes...

Comment by katyzzz

October 11th 2006 08:43
If no-one understands you, you need a conversation in the family, happen down to my place
and 'come up and see me sometime'.

Glad to see you getting in and doing it. katyzzz

Comment by Chantal

October 11th 2006 11:04
Thanks guys... for all your comments!

I totally agree, Jimbo... nice quote too!

Will be sure to visit you, Katyzzz!

Comment by Adrienne

October 11th 2006 23:28
Emos? Wasn't that a 1996 thing?

Comment by Helen's House

October 12th 2006 00:11
Friend, there is nothing new under the sun! You are understood very clearly by the One who created you and knew you while you were being put together in your mother's womb. He knows you much better than you know yourself - every thought, eery difficulty and pain, every joy, srength and talent. He made you with complete knowledge of your potential and how to get you there.. AS you have already discerned, you can't have freedom from conformity to one entity or another. All you have is choice about which one you'll conform to. If you conform to Truth (otherwise called the Holy Spirit, or Jesus), you will have freedom from deception, lying spirits and crap. There is magnificence in that!

Comment by Homer Joyce

October 12th 2006 00:28
Jimbo,

What a great comment: they don’t have any idea about what unconformity is.

I can only comment literally.

To conform is to agree or shall we (for the sake of the argument) say obey.

So to unconform is to disobey.

How far back in history do you want me to go regarding this disease which affects the youth? The issue that gets recycled and recycled, year after year, century after century ... No wonder you’re sick of it …

What angle do you want me to take on it? A filmic angle? Talk about Rebel Without A Cause and James Dean’s non conformity?… Where did that get him? We’re all going to die … If dying young is your gig and having a beautiful corpse … go ahead … but … is there an afterlife?

or back to Henry the VIII where he wouldn’t conform to the Church that gave him the title Defender of the Faith? Where did that get him? If dying with syphilis is your gig, go for it …

Or back to Adam and Eve who wouldn’t conform to … Thou shalt not eat of … If listening to deceivers is your gig, go for it … only if you want to live for 900 years on this planet (when living for 30 is hard enough) …

Or back to Lucifer’s anthem … I will not serve … if you want to control hell for all eternity … go for it … (not my choice btw) …

There’s something in what I just wrote that gets to the heart of the matter …

But I’ll add one more thing:

Emos base their whole life on emotion … Isn’t it better to follow the intellect?

And if being alternative to alternative is your gig ... look up the definition of alternative before you try it ... don't let your emtions overrun your intellect in this matter ...

You were given a brain. Use it. You were given emotions. Subject them to the brain. Make them obey.

Homer …

Just food for thought …

Comment by Helen's House

October 12th 2006 04:17
I can' help responding to that, Homer.

To Jimbo I'd say that mass unconformity is tantamount to anarchy which leads to terrorism, and that is crtrainly on the increase!

So we need to teach or children appropriate conformity so they have the skills to maintain the peace.

I think kids who are not shown appropriate limits don't know how to take charge of their emotions or align themselves with a stable community. Their unconformity derives from ignorance rather than pressure to conform. Every child will test his limits and if there aren't any, he'll terrorise his family until they give him limits. What sort of adult will he become if he doesn't learn limitations as a child?

The teaching of boundaries is an essential. Then Homer's observations about non-conformity are pretty accurate. It was largely about immediate personal gratification and had an unsatisfactory finale.

Emotions are like horses, very powerful, they need a good trainer and a good rider, a saddle and reins. If they are allowed to lead they'll wipe you out!

The intelligence is a bit the same, and without a value system it will be into genocide as quick as think about it. Look at the Nero's, the Al Capones and the Hitlers. They were all very intelligent men but their value systems were too low on the scale of vision. They could only consider what gratification suited their particular circumstances.

Intellligence loves to control. Unsupervised it becomes a great manipulator. It needs a great motivator to get beyond reasonably immediate personal gratification

Wisdom is not the same as intellect. Wisdom relates to truth and real love, and is needed as a motivator. Wisdom comes from outside of the individual It is not about individual gratification which will be the goal of the intellect. We have to look a lot higher than that for wisdom. It's not even about collective consciousness which is the lowest common denominator of men. Wisdom requires a vision of reality through everything so it has to come from outside creation. It's from the Creator who knows and comprehends everything.

Wisdom is the chief thing, says the Bible, and that's about right!

Comment by Lilla

October 12th 2006 09:21
Right on HH,

You have to step back, out of the morass of the mind to get to wisdom. Let the body discern, there in the quiet place of the heart you'll find it, not in the mind.

But these emo kids, surely there is no wisdom in the parents who raise them. Strange poppy's are they not? My kids don't want to go that way ...

However, I still say true direction is found in wise parenting and kids reflect that environment as surely as they still breathe oxygen. L


Comment by Chantal

October 12th 2006 13:11
Wow, people! I'm very impressed with how deeply philosophical this debate has become!

I think people are way too quick to blame the parents. I dont think the type of people children become is always directly related. For example, in my family there are 3 children with 3 widely different personalities and we're all graduates from the same school of parenting. There are many other factors involved such as education, friendships, heartbreaks, etc.

I dont necessarily agree that unconformity leads to terrorism, either. It's often conforming to an ideal or value that leads to war, etc which is a form of terrorism in itself.

We're all created as individuals, so by our very nature none of us conform to any one ideal. I celebrate independence, individuality and unique qualities in any human being, it's those who strive so hard to be different without realising their inherent uniqueness that I feel for. They're missing out on enjoying that which they already have!

Comment by Jimbo

October 16th 2006 04:10
Witness the real-life manifestation here.

Comment by Anonymous

October 17th 2006 01:08
When I was the same age as the majority of these emo kids there were 2 major groups, teen phenomenons, cults, call it what you will. Okay, so there were more than 2, but these were the 2 that emo sprang from, as I see it.

There was the punk camp which I was a part of. The emphasis was on DIY, shunning labels, organising bands, shows, record labels, whatever for the punk community without the help of the mainstream. Dress was usually fairly outlandish, but done individually - i.e., you made your own patches, sewed your clothes together and all ther rest - and there's a whole other debate there about conformity which has already been alluded to here. Anyway, the other factor with the punk was that there was a fairly strong political voice to it as well (not always left wing). The music was usually direct, to the point, and was a forum for discussing pressing issues of the day - issues which directly affected our lives. This was the time of One Nation, Reconciliation on the front pages, the beginnings of the Howard regime, GST.... you get the idea.

Over the other side of the fence you had the goth kids. While the casual observer might have lumped us all in together, the differences were pretty stark. Goths were self obsessed. All the music was about self-loathing introspection - "my life sucks". Rather than commenting on society, on major problems, the problems, which they went on and on and on about, were all minor personal ones. They were anti-conformity but missing the DIY ethic which meant their clothing was all manufactured and their looks were all similar.

Anyway, there was a branch of the punk movement, musically, called emo, which was basically at this stage just poppier music (originally the music emo had come from had been harcore punk with an emotional bent) - the lyrics were usually more personal though. I remember there was this thing about emo fans wearing backpacks. There was a fair bit of nerd chic in there too. But the bands were all along these DIY lines though - own labels, commitment to music rather than commercicality and so on.

Somewhere along the line - maybe some record exec with a bright idea, who knows - it seems to me the goth culture has merged with the emo music. It's effectively ripped the spontaneity, creativity and commitment to localism, DIY and focus on politics and change out of punk and created a mass-produced commercial banner for kids to sit under. Plenty of kids want to be different, experiment with it during their teenage years - they're still doing it but are being sold the goth introspective ethic through a tailored punk image which demands they spend their money in a certain way. On hoodies, shoes, jeans, hair, music which puts the focus on their petty personal problems and NOT wider social issues. Rebellion, individual questioning of social norms has been left behind in favour of a perceived rebellion which is directly marketed and sold.

And the kids, happy rebelling, don't care about what's happening to the rest of the world anymore. It's a win win for a consumer culture.

Comment by Helen's House

October 17th 2006 01:54
I agree, materialsim has a way of soaking up most things if people are not alert. That's why I think people need to sit down and consider what are the real values they hold and wish to live for. Blindly following the general hype is hardly creative living!

Comment by Adrian

October 24th 2006 12:27
For the record, it's not cheap being a goth, so I don't know what emos are complaining about.

Do you know how much PVC costs? And have you ever been in a corset shop?

A matrix-style trenchcoat could easily set you back a grand and a half...

Comment by Anonymous

August 26th 2007 04:44
emos thik that they have it so tough.. they think that their life sucks so much... i dont think like that, yet my best mate just died of a brain tumour, i have been told i have depression, i have to take these pills that taste like vomit (but i dont), my parents grounded me bacause i dumped my boyfriend (WTF) and i manage to get through every day and think positive...
wtf..?

Comment by CertainlyQuestionable

February 9th 2008 00:00
Well, since everyone is becoming emo and try to be different from everyone else, they're now all the same.

this generation is sad.

Comment by jalyn

March 11th 2008 18:18
emo ppl r ppl who c no point in life and they cut the pain away thinkin no one understands them.thats how i use to be till i cut a heart into my arm and my friend said she loved me and i quit and the scar is still there today like it will always beYour text goes here

Comment by Shadow

March 19th 2008 22:51
Emo, for me, is a way of life. im not ritch, i dont have alot of money at all, but im still emo.
emo is more someone whos over emotional about things.
gothic people have no emotion
theres the difference.

if u want to ask me anything else, email me at itcouldbeeworse@yahoo.com

laterz

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